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Mar. 19th, 2025 06:14 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
kradeelavi am so incredibly thankful not to be a popular artist ajjsjshahk;
(abstract talk about dead dove / non consent in art under the cut)
one art acquaintance who does pretty delicious widely-known dead dove work was understandably griping about patreon's draconian consent rules for fictional work; aka that you have to have the characters smiling or explicitly giving consent for anything resembling rough sex / bdsm / ""odd"" power ""imbalances""
and a lot of the comments were 'haha well you could always put a silly sticker beside the characters on the work that says 'i consent' [to get around that]'
and hm
hmmmmmmmmm
my mental un-virtuous instinctive response to those replies was 'do you fuckers have any respect for the honesty of art?'
weirdly enough that suggested work-around would feel even more straightforwardly... rapey at-the-viewer in a way, to me. just genuinely wrong and 'krad would actually call red on that if this were a a kink scene' and hackles-raising enough i'm sitting here oddly fascinated at myself why i feel strongly enough to type all of this. it almost creeps me out more that the replies didn't see it like that. maybe it's just me since i feel like i focus a little more on the body language and the acting of the characters in drawings than some?
i've written tangentially on this before, how good loving sex can look downright rapey at times. maybe for me it's a little more personal/my hangups where with [all my shit] imbalanced power dynamics is a default existence state and trying to magic away in a hypothetical scenario is genuinely alienating since it's forcefully changing me. and it'd feel like forcefully changing said characters - usually if i'm drawing somebody i'm already in their head enough that it'd just be an anathema to force out-of-character acting on them.
anyway. didn't Say the above that out loud but....idk just feeling Some sort of way that it was the majority of the replies.
i'm glad i don't make art for those repliers, is my honest petty opinion :v
edit: on further thought, it is absolutely fascinating now how "drawing [blorbo] being raped" feels far more like a CNC scene to me (between the artist and the fictional character as temporary mental formation to figure out acting) than "drawing [blorbo] being raped and slapping a sticker on it implying that it's consensual" and that feeling way closer to a true rape as a violation.
very interesting.
(abstract talk about dead dove / non consent in art under the cut)
one art acquaintance who does pretty delicious widely-known dead dove work was understandably griping about patreon's draconian consent rules for fictional work; aka that you have to have the characters smiling or explicitly giving consent for anything resembling rough sex / bdsm / ""odd"" power ""imbalances""
and a lot of the comments were 'haha well you could always put a silly sticker beside the characters on the work that says 'i consent' [to get around that]'
and hm
hmmmmmmmmm
my mental un-virtuous instinctive response to those replies was 'do you fuckers have any respect for the honesty of art?'
weirdly enough that suggested work-around would feel even more straightforwardly... rapey at-the-viewer in a way, to me. just genuinely wrong and 'krad would actually call red on that if this were a a kink scene' and hackles-raising enough i'm sitting here oddly fascinated at myself why i feel strongly enough to type all of this. it almost creeps me out more that the replies didn't see it like that. maybe it's just me since i feel like i focus a little more on the body language and the acting of the characters in drawings than some?
i've written tangentially on this before, how good loving sex can look downright rapey at times. maybe for me it's a little more personal/my hangups where with [all my shit] imbalanced power dynamics is a default existence state and trying to magic away in a hypothetical scenario is genuinely alienating since it's forcefully changing me. and it'd feel like forcefully changing said characters - usually if i'm drawing somebody i'm already in their head enough that it'd just be an anathema to force out-of-character acting on them.
anyway. didn't Say the above that out loud but....idk just feeling Some sort of way that it was the majority of the replies.
i'm glad i don't make art for those repliers, is my honest petty opinion :v
edit: on further thought, it is absolutely fascinating now how "drawing [blorbo] being raped" feels far more like a CNC scene to me (between the artist and the fictional character as temporary mental formation to figure out acting) than "drawing [blorbo] being raped and slapping a sticker on it implying that it's consensual" and that feeling way closer to a true rape as a violation.
very interesting.
