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[kradeelav]

(crossposting over here from my fe tumblr because it's interesting to consider.) 

> for someone who has historically had zero problem drawing pretty hardcore dead dove (incest, rape, kinks like watersports, etc), nudity plus emotional eros is something i'm kinda chickenshit at drawing....

i think i'm known as somebody who draws erotic clothed sex/intimacy well (it's been said before) so it's not exactly a puritanical thing, (i think?), and it's not strictly the intimacy side that i'm gun-shy at....

when i think about it, a simple nude body is also Fine. but it's full frontal nude (specifically aroused genitalia) plus personal emotional eros/attraction that .... the idea of it feels nice to draw, but it's way way too painfully vulnerable to show, haha.

#even my gunter/corrin hentai i shied around it more often than i'd like (by far the hardest panels to draw were the full body + bits)  #where you couldn't just abstract a wholeass panel as uh. Biggus Dick.  #funnily enough gunter is like the ONE character that breaks this rule consistently. freak ass dude (lovingly).  #i have a theory it's because i associate gunter with the ship more (gunter/corrin) versus audience-and-character.  #it's such a weird specific black hole of a mental roadblock when i'm Fine with everything *around it*  #and other artists seemingly don't have said mental roadblock. belatedly realizing i use kink as a way to cheat around this too.  #idk! thinking about this as i attempt a thing. hold my beer.

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[cold_clarity]

this is a really interesting reflection! thank you for sharing. i'm slowly wading into the waters of drawing more erotic illustration (i never felt confident enough in my art skills before) and i have noticed that a lot of what i personally find erotic also isn't really about nude bodies per se, and maybe specifically rarely about genitals. i don't object to the idea, and i'm not entirely DISINTERESTED either....but it's not like. where my mind goes when i think about sex, sexuality, desire, and the erotic.

anyway! not to make this about me, i just appreciate the musing. i've never really met anyone else who has professed to having any kind of overlap in this regard, so again, thank you for sharing <3

[kradeelav]

of course, and i love hearing your thoughts <3


having hung out around kink art circles for quite a few years, you're not alone for sure! honestly i'd say a real sizeable chunk of said artists are on the aroace spectrum so there's a real cool overlap of kink and other modes of intimacy other than bog standard nudity or bits. they've honestly been my best teachers as far as depicting that "desire" without having to go for the shorthands.

[cold_clarity]

aw thank you for saying so!

and that's cool to hear about there being artists sort of across the spectrum with this. i've definitely found my disposition to be welcome/understood/supported in irl bdsm spaces and with more niche writing – so it does make sense that it'd carry over to the art world! i started joining more straightforward "how to draw hentai/porn/etc" subreddits and discord servers, and i was a little surprised at how unkinky/mainstream most of the art is. i'm certainly not passing judgment, but it's not what i immediately connect with, so it's nice to hear there's a lot of artists out there doing stuff that might be considered a bit more nonstandard!

[vsitante]

I say this with every ounce of respect I muster for you but I am genuinely surprised to hear this! I guess it's also my assumption (based on way too much evidence, good and bad) that the harder kink artists are also capable of very saccharine eros in the same way a realistic-trained artist might be able to do both realism and cartoony...

...Although the reverse of that is a cartoon-trained artist might not be able to do realism and cartoony, but just cartoony, so I guess I rendered my own point moot lmao.

Kinda thinking about how I approach these things (certainly as the opposite of a dead dove artist), I think my own mental block is making it more believable. I think I'm more comfortable with drawing full monties at high masts and all that, in any pose or situation I could try, but it's making it look like it's sincere that's my issue. I often waffle on "emotion" versus "correct," and sometimes I look at old art and go "well that looked fine" and it's often the ones where I just went with my gut lmao. But then you get comments on the errors and you're just there going, my god, it really is all about perfection and not what the art does to you...

I don't know if I would be shy about it if I ever did dead dove art, but I guess it'd depend on the situation...I don't think I could draw rape, for example, unless I made it surrealistic or somethin' :v (Or the way rape is portrayed in Tezuka's Ode to Kirihito, where he uses the Buddha iirc or some other statue instead as framing and voyeur, along with the dialogue.)