kradeelav | (no subject)

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I will give tumblr this: it’s customizable DIY options for blog design and layout reminded me of some of the best of hack and paste blog layout from little niche communities like The Otaku or bigger old school platforms like MySpace and LJ layout days.

I feel that impenetrable wall between kids making their own damn sites and corporate need to market, advertise and control media heavily. These Things were like entry level to developing great skills and taking complete ownership and autonomy over your internet presence and experiences.

You could make a static page or update as frequently as you like, express yourself, make a shrine, start a club or business. Without being at the mercy of someone else’s rules and regulations or piggy backing off your content.

Now we’re all cloistered into a few large nonstop channels and that’s lead to nothing but problems, exploitation, loss of established boundaries and recognized unspoken rules. (See also, bad eggs non withstanding : some kids might not feel so threatened by adult spaces if they knew how to navigate and create their own spaces and weren’t all shoved in the same feed with us.)

More and more I want to write tutorials on old school web development, I think it’s some of the most accessible form of bare bones disconnect from Major hosts and media internet hermiting.

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armoredsuperheavy

Man I feel that. I used to make sites, back up til around 2004 or so, all written in Notepad. You can do a lot with just Notepad. I abandoned it some time after that point but I can't imagine anyone being able to throw down code and create the type of shit the web's running now. You'd absolutely have to use an application to do it. And yeah it makes sense - it's about control and ad serv revenue and so forth. *spits* Let's restart Geoshitties

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lukadian

Straight up I still do all my sites in notepad, I’ve even tried fancier apps and like auto code tag closing and stuff is helpful but I just... got so used to doing it in notepad.

It’s just...accessible. Anyone can code, notepad is a default program, html at its most basic is very easy to learn from copy paste and experimenting and server space is arguably a lot cheaper than is used to be back in the day!

I wonder if more people don’t make their own pages Web 1.0 style because the tools seem so unknown or the general look and feel of premade sites is so far beyond what you can learn in between classes, chores or work? Maybe there’s a pressure to look a certain way just as there is to add to a constant feed like with sites like twitter where lots of young artists run into burn out a lot faster and suffer imposter syndrome?

In the end like Krad said I think it all comes back to the idea of ad revenue, sites are increasingly a way to make a living or income and on mainstream socmed sites you have to conform to their needs (your data, your time, your clicks, your algorithmic direction, your outrage and short attention span) and the user is the currency generator more than the content or community organizer.

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sokol

this is definitely what's stopping me from getting further with my new sites; there's so many 3rd party languages and scripts you have to know... and I'm even working with a helper/editor site. parts of it are legit impenetrable to a layman unless you run whatever service you're using (or paying for it!) I really do miss the blank slates of HTML and even open-source coded widgets that you could throw into your code and they would just work ;__;

Edited Date: 2020-06-14 05:42 am (UTC)

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lukadian

Man I forgot all about widgets, fuck it used to be so easy to just...pop in like a chat box source code on like your blog or journal and bam off you go msn emoting with a taste of wild unfiltered visitor interaction.

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kradeelav

it's somehow refreshing to know that it isn't just me staring at code and thinking half the brain's fallen out, ahaha. Still - yeah, it sucks to have to wade through and especially to see what it's come to these days - so bloated, everywhere.

(tbh if you want like a coding pair buddy just to talk through ideas and emerge with both sites in hand, let me know. <3 )

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kradeelav

nod nod @ notepad! somehow the very simpleness of the medium itself removed so much of the additional cruft and made it from getting too complex - reminds me of why some designers still prefer to knock out first concepts on napkins and the like.

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sailorkitty

Are you serious? Welp, there's my hope of trying to create something in Neo Cities. There are a few templates that look OK, but it just feels like it's going to end up looking like Web 1.0 Hamster Dance, or some very very old Sailor Moon fansite.

(Though honestly, I'd be perfectly happy with a rudimentary tabled fansite with solid-colour-on-top-of-tastefull-mosaic-background at this point.)

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lukadian

Html has its limitations but don’t forget CSS! Neither are too hard to learn and CSS alone can really open up the possibilities of what your site can look like! Add a dash of php or java and you have something downright modern if that’s what you’re going for! I recommend checking out fan listing websites and shrines from the mid to late 2010’s from those who continued to create and design them! They’re often beautiful and very diverse and completely attainable styles and design goals for the hand coder!

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Html has its limitations but don’t forget CSS! Neither are too hard to learn and CSS alone can really open up the possibilities of what your site can look like! Add a dash of php or java and you have something downright modern if that’s what you’re going for! I recommend checking out fan listing websites and shrines from the mid to late 2010’s from those who continued to create and design them! They’re often beautiful and very diverse and completely attainable styles and design goals for the hand coder!

(<a href=“https://amassment.org/ ”>amassment</a> is a great directory for web shrines with beautiful layouts, most all done in a variety of hand coding! So don’t give up hope!)

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sailorkitty

(Gosh, Prof. Tomoe is perfect here.)

Wow, thank you! :)

These webpages are lovely and inspiring, and some look simple enough while still seeming very un-hamster-dance-y.

I'm just now looking through a coding course for the sake of HTML, but had no idea about CSS - I'm going to look that up, along with php. (I mean, anything is better than copypasting in neopets...)

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lukadian

(Hue hue I know right?)

In my experience css isn’t too difficult, I can’t say I’m truly adept at it, I learn something new with each project, but it feels more streamlined, a little easier to waffle without and get pages to do things or look a certain way that can’t be done with just html, and it makes simple styling like font, backgrounds, link color and effect SUPER easy! It’s very accessible if you want something you can just do by hand too, no need for bootstraps or plug ins and applications either! The end result can be very nice or professional modern looking pages too if that’s what you’d like! Personally I just like to abuse it for 90’s to mid 2000’s era stuff. |D

(God I can already hear that song ringing in my ears.)

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queenlua

i have a lot of Opinions about this and should really write a big fat post about the politics of IETF sometime, huh

/me stares at pile of projects and weeps

Edited Date: 2020-06-16 12:26 am (UTC)

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kradeelav

you'd have one v interested bean >;3

From: (Anonymous)

If you're still looking to get familiar with flexbox, I highly, highly recommend this free educational game to really hammer home the basics: https://geddski.teachable.com/p/flexbox-zombies

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kradeelav

Ooh this looks promising - thank you!

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